Real Christianity is DETERMINIST, never doubt, a very simple argument (absolute cause-effect), which satanists, subjectivists, and Platonists hate, ho ho ho....

Below-copied by ap first published at comments, https://bellofchurch.blogspot.com/20...l#comment-form

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Determinism Really Simple, Crushing Argument
(Apollonian, 29 Nov 16)

Well, I said what I said, and consider that's sufficient, u just repeating ur special-pleading and mysticism. Christianity (worship of TRUTH [= Christ] founded upon objectivity) is the Hegelian (-style) anti-thesis to Pharisaic subjectivism ("midrash," Oral Law Tradition), hence lies (Gosp. JOHN 8:44), as I've noted.

Foremost pretext to this subjectivism is non-existent "good-evil," Pelagian heresy--why is this so difficult to grasp? Neither u nor anyone is capable of "good" (which requires definition), and this is a deterministic fact, period.

St. Paul affirms we're sinners, we not having "free" will to not sinning, we requiring God's grace and mercy to enter Heaven, etc.

So is Christ = truth?--yes or no? How can there be truth without an objective reality? And if reality is objective, then it's determined (absolute cause-effect) which is affirmed by St. Paul--so what do u want? Determinism is also the necessary inductive conclusion given observation of reality, u not capable of presenting any counter-evidence. So keep wiggling and squirming.


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Liberty Bell November 29, 2016 at 5:52 PM

As for your professed Internet difficulties: Make sure that you are not copying the final period. The period ends the sentence, not the URL. The URL is as follows:

http://www.vexen.co.uk/vexen.html

You can also access it via The Wayback Machine.

https://web.archive.org/web/20161116....uk/vexen.html

In any case, Vexen's page relates: "I've been a member of the Church of Satan for 15 years (since 1999), and ran the London Satanists for several years..."

As to the remainder of your remarks, I already admitted that the "fact [that he is a Satanist] ...does not entail that either his biblical exegesis or his theological musings will be in error..."

Nonetheless I find it darkly humorous that, for all your protestations against "Satanism," and for all of the millions of pages written on the issue of free will by Christian exegetes and theologians, the Bible expository that you submit (in lieu of your own) in defense of your stated denial of free will was penned by a Church of Satan adherent.

Is there no Church Doctor or Divine - whether Catholic, Orthodox, or Protestant - that you can summon in support of your denial of free will? Just out of curiosity, can you point to any denomination or sect of Christianity (besides the "Church of Satan"!) that has even held or that now holds a position similar to the one that you endorse?

Of course, I already said that I would be willing to at least scan Crabtree's commentary. (Though I admit that I do not have anything like high hopes for it.) But I will need some time to do so, since at present my workload will not permit it.

So...stay tuned, I guess :-)

Ethics then must be regarding management of emotions concerning inevitable, inexorable, determined reality, including emotions of others too; it's much an art....

Below-copied essay by ap first published at comments, https://bellofchurch.blogspot.com/20...85313779110281

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It's All God's Fault, Which He Admitted, Duly Died For, Giving Us Holy Spirit For Guidance
(Apollonian, 23 Nov 16)

Good gravy, but what is this blog really supposed to be about? I note the title question, Is God responsible (for original sin)?--and yes, he obviously must be, but still we have our problem(s) to occupy our attn.

Then, however, we see u write lots of other stuff which perhaps we're supposed to address, but maybe it's safer not to.

But when in doubt, often I find it's expedient to refer to the thematic dialectic of the literature which pertains to grasping the problem within proper context, Christ (= truth, Gosp. JOHN 14:6) vs. the satanic Pharisees who seriously thought they could murder TRUTH, but which truth triumphantly resurrected (Easter) as it can't be killed, as reality is objective and can't be killed, truly a lesson to be taken to heart.

Thus the objective, Aristotelian reality triumphs over satanic subjectivist, the objective reality base for all/any ensuing ethics, exemplified by Christ, reconciling emotion w. inexorable, inevitable, determined reality (will of God), including then, the emotions of fellow humans. It's much an artistic effort, regarding ethics, politics, and human psychology.

So "original sin" is that condition of human will, hence self-interest, and problem of management, necessity of reason and Holy Spirit by which we grasp the truth (= Christ), the greatest virtue for things. And life then is very much an art for ethical virtue and management therewith, Holy Spirit (reason, honesty, and integrity) there to guide us for grasping truth (= Christ).

Christian TRUTH (= Christ) necessarily abhors "good-evil" delusion/fallacy/heresy (Pelagianism), which is pretext for subjectivism, satanism....

Below-copied by ap first published at comments, https://bellofchurch.blogspot.com/20...l#comment-form

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Christian Truth Abhors "Good-Evil," Premise Of satanism
(Apollonian, 21 Nov 16)

"But as I said, in the historic Christian tradition - as far as I can tell, anyway - "sin" is willingly doing what is bad." -fm above text.

So what is "bad"?--there has never been any satisfactory definition of "good-evil"--it's sheer subjectivism, purpose being intimidating and scaring children and people, most of whom never emerge fm childish mentality, all this for purpose of controlling the population/citizenry. Tragedy then is this "good-evil" delusion/heresy (Pelagianism) provides pretext for more extreme subjectivism, satanism, hubris, and total degeneracy, collapse of the culture, "Decline of the West," by Oswald Spengler.

And what's "Christian tradition"?--this is extremely interesting question/issue, but we see the best theologic exposition begins w. New Test., after Christ, esp. that of St. Paul, but also St. JOHN the Gospel writer, and beyond that is highly problematical, mere attempted applications, some more successful than others. St. Augustine was great saint and thinker, but he was no better than anyone else for definition of "good-evil"--a failure.

And we see every attempt at such definition of this mythical "good-evil" falls to the simple question of WHY, ho ho ho. Take Immanuel Kant, who tells us moral virtue is duty, but doesn't tell us why (question-begging). "Duty" then is regarding absurdity of "categorical imperative" clap-trap, against self-interest, without any (sufficient or satisfactory) explanation for WHY. Kant is surely one of the great jokers of all philosophy, after Aristophanes who gave us the most accurate picture of Socrates ("The Clouds").

In New Test., "good-evil" is always kept at simpleton level of metaphor for children, there's no clear criterion ever given.

For practical purposes, we see, so often the moralists resorting to the desperate (circular) claim that it's "good" to believe in "good-evil," ho ho ho--how pathetic. And ultimately we see even the Christians can't get past the simple AXIOM of self-interest, the reward/incentive of heaven and avoidance of pain of heck.

And all this pathetic rigmarole regarding non-existent "good-evil" is obviated by simple metaphysical precept of DETERMINISM--whatever happens had to happen that way, period. Humans are self-interested by nature and Godly design, PERIOD, get over it already. Reason (intellect) is for simple purpose of assuaging one's emotions, esp. in relation to other humans, hence then virtue of discerning the determinist nature; it simply follows logically fm prior premise/assumption of objectivity.

But gee whiz, say the moralists, this (determinism) then makes life too simple--we don't then have to worry and agonize about what's "good-evil" for the morons of society so as to control and enslave them and keep them fighting one-another, golly.

Thus it was that even in Book of Genesis, God commanded humans not to eat of Tree of knowledge of good-evil--because it (such "knowledge") is a ruse by which to confound humanity and cause suffering, anguish, etc.

Very purpose of Christianity was combatting of satanism (extreme subjectivism) of Pharisees who preached subjectivism ("midrash" and "Oral Law Tradition"), pretext for this sort of "good-evil," "good-evil" then being pretext for subjectivism.

Thus Christ made sure to utterly destroy the satanists and Pharisees at the outset by establishing existence of TRUTH (Gosp. JOHN 14:6, also JOHN 8:32 and 18:37-8), hence the objective reality, hence the determinist nature. Everything else for proper ethics follows fm the metaphysical premise. Absolute worst corruption of Christianity is pretension to "good-evil" which is actually the very NEGATION of Christianity, properly understood.

Jew satanists can't allow satanists be identified as such, or analyzed as (extreme) subjectivism--because that's Jews!....

Jews Can't Allow satanists Named, Analyzed Explicitly As Such--satanists, Hence Subjectivists
(Apollonian, 17 Nov 16)

The (organized by Jews) satanists are psychotic and now, at this pt., so filled w. hubris of their own that (a) they're fighting among themselves--that's why Trump (leading the "good kikes") defeated hitlery (leader of the "globalists"), ho ho ho ho. So the patriots have won a slight reprieve by means of Trump, bless his Jewwy heart.

(b) Satanists are hysterical and they're not letting-up over the election which they lost, their leader, Soros, continuing w. non-stop lies, propaganda, paying "protesters" to riot relentlessly, night after night, this even though the election is over. So what's going to happen? Well, satanists are considering killing Trump, evidently. The dumb, brainless bastards--the "people"--better take heed, there may be another false-flag coming to cover Trump assassination.

Notice also, the great sin denounced by these satanists is RACISM, ho ho ho ho ho. Too bad the dumb, brainless scum (the "people") can't think to retort that racism is virtue, virtue of LOYALTY--ck any dictionary. Dumb, brainless scum, however, don't have (a) brains of their own, or (b) decent leadership. For observe these satanist scum get away w. their antics, as we see, and the morons, including Trump and such as Ajax Jones of InfoWars.com who pretend to lead, don't have the wit to pt. out the obvious satanism of Soros, hitlery, et al., or that racism is actually quite rational virtue. Ajax Jones, as usual, is out-of-breath denying desperately he's racist, ho ho ho ho, the stupid, fat-headed hill-billy, ho ho ho ho oho.

So the satanists have their victims playing their game, these stupid victims (such as Trump and fat-head Jones) led and counseled by Jews falling all over themselves denying they're racist, failing to pt. out and emphasizing satanism. For identifying satanism properly as (extreme) subjectivism would ruin Jones' game for pretending to "good-evil," as well as exposing Jews, because subjectivism and satanism is what Judaism is all about--Jews can't have this to becoming common knowledge of the people, people being stupid, brainless scum, to such a great extent.

So remember: the big thing is top satanists (JEWS, suckers) want to saddle the people w. Jewwy leadership as Trump and Ajax Jones.

Necessary answer for people, in abstract, is emphasizing Christian truth (= Christ, Gosp. JOHN 14:6) absolutely anti-semitic, opposed to Jew filth and their lies (JOHN 8:44) built on subjectivism. More specifically, we need emphasis upon states-rights, nullification, and gold and silver, real money, not currency.

"Blame" upon Jews truly needs be understood for exact place, function of Jews within the corrupt, degenerate society in Spenglerian "Decline of the West"....

Below-copied essay by ap first submitted but not (yet, anyway) published at comments, http://revisionistreview.blogspot.co...r-america.html

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Place Of Jews, satanism In Large Sociologic Scheme
(Apollonian, 16 Nov 16)

Hoffman tells us: "Enough with blaming most of our woes on “the Jews,” or other races. Only we can defeat ourselves. It is our own brethren alone who possess the full capability to destroy us. All other enemy forces are merely ancillary."

But Hoffman: haven't I made it clear that u, personally, are integral part of the large problem? Because u urself excuse the Jews, as we see, right?--and haven't I always pt'd this out about the larger problem which concerns Jews?

For Jews are the LEADERS of organized satanism (extreme subjectivism), esp. as Jews are top central-bankers (see Mises.org for expo), funding everything else for the large criminal empire. So when people "blame" Jews, as u put it, they're simply pt-ing out Jews are leaders of organized crime (central-banking). And when we eliminate Jews, we thus cut "head" off proverbial, criminal "snake." And when the leadership is exterminated, the rest of the job against criminals and conspirators is much easier.

And why and how are Jews the leaders of organized crime?--because, obviously, they're most organized and practical for their criminality, Jews being COLLECTIVIST subjectivists/satanists, unlike many if not most goyim who are far more nihilistic, individualistic, and hence un-organized and ineffective for their satanism/subjectivism.

Thus Jews merely take advantage of a corrupt and degenerate culture of "Decline of the West," by Oswald Spengler, when the people become smug and HUBRISTIC, like u, Hoffman, pretending to subjectivism and Pelagianist "good-evil."

So sure, Jews surely aren't necessarily "primary" problem; they're not "evil" (nothing is "evil" or "good"), but they're a disease, like plague, typhus, or leprosy, and they MUST be removed and dealt with, like any criminal gang. And u, Hoffman, seem to think u're their lawyer, speaking-up for them, making excuses for them, right?--as we see.

So I guess u're really shown as somewhat accurate for ur overall cultural and psychological assessment, but not in way u imagine. For mystics and Pelagianist heretics like urself are what makes way and place for Jews, the leading, most practical satanists and criminals of our degenerate, hubristic society. Such then is place and function of Jews and satanism within hubristic society and culture in "Decline of the West."

Trump did pretty well campaigning, but might have done better for emphasizing the satanic element to hitlery....

Trump Could Have Exposed, Emphasized satanic Element More
(Apollonian, 8 Nov 16)

Trump did a good job campaigning, I suppose, but could have done better had he more emphatically denounced satanism and associated hitlery w. that satanism. But the Jews no doubt discouraged Trump fm that sort of association and analysis as it would have pt'd up Jews and the Jew element to satanism, as it would have led to clarification for the common basic principles of the two, satanism and Judaism, for that principle is simple: extreme subjectivism, the idea that all reality is emanation of one's own consciousness/mentality, thus that one is God, creating one's own reality. Jews as well as satanists cannot stand exposure.

For Jews are most practical subjectivists, maintaining a sort of sanity about them, unlike many gentile satanists, as their subjectivism is far more collectivistic, not so much making any particular individual to being God, but rather the whole Judaic people as God. Thus Jews are most organized, Jews always the leading criminals who control organized crime, topmost enterprise being central-banking, that legalized counterfeiting, as present US Federal Reserve Bank (the "fed," see Mises.org for expo) which controls all the rest of organized criminality and lots of the un-organized sort too, actually.

Regardless, that clarification, hence exposure of satanism and the subjectivist element is inevitable, and as it inexorably happens the false and satanic Christianity will itself be exposed, and those phony Christians won't like that.

Will satanists win this election?--they're certainly trying and working hard--and lots of folks KNOW, too....

satanism Working For Election Fraud--Will They Succeed?--Stay Tuned
(Apollonian, 5 Nov 16)

Satanists are all in on this election--what a joke. For anyone who takes things seriously KNOWS Trump is way ahead in voter support. HOW do we "know"?--by means of strategic polls, as done by Trump himself, for one, but mostly and especially by looking at the support given by people at the rallies. Hitlery is the satanic candidate, of Soros, CFR (Council on Foreign Relations), Trilaterals, et al. So question is merely how far the satanists will push this gross fraud. We're going to see and find-out for sure extent of satanist control at the local and state level.

FOX News pushes the fraud, along w. all the other Jews-media, to effect things are tight, regarding these phony "polls," including even Alexei Jones of InfoWars.com, though he will hedge and sometimes admit the real numbers are Trump way out ahead. Of course, purpose of the phony polls is to make the vote- and election-fraud seem plausible.

Tex. gov. hasn't arrested the vote officials here in Tex. despite the reports of fraud and vote-flipping, so far. Most disturbing is judges now have effectively banned exit-polling, at least for some states or places, calling it "intimidation," all at behest of hitlery and satanists. Fix is in. Such corrupt judges naturally should be executed for treason.

Regardless, surely, far more people are aware of the fraud and general, prevailing satanism. Even Alexei Jones is covering the more lurid aspects of such satanism, of course not really analyzing it for simple subjectivist essence. Alexei really isn't too bright, everything considered, regardless his own high opinion of himself. Alexei Jones, proof of the "Peter Principle."

So people KNOW--they know enough, and enough people know--about the satanic power working to take-over, and it's Jews at the center of it: Judaism = subjectivism = satanism. Jews and satanism hate truth, hence freedom, hence humanity. Stupid people need to learn subjectivism = satanism = lies = death, but they're stupid, poor scum. So the stupid puke will learn the hard-way, I'm afraid--such is lesson of CYCLIC history, according to Oswald Spengler and "Decline of the West."

satanists, Jews, "powers, principalities" obscure the proper meaning, place, function of hatred, extremely useful emotion, reciprocal of "love" of St. Paul....

satanic Power, Principality: Real Meaning Of Political Correctness--Enforced By Jews
(Apollonian, 2 Nov 16)

St. Paul tells us that as Christians we're supposed to "love," hoh o ho ho ho--but this needs some explaining. For one can't love just anything or everything, can one? Ho ho ho ho ho No: for "love" needs be understood in proper context--along w. good old hatred--love-hate is same basic emotion, they being reciprocals. And hatred has its value and place which satanists don't want to admit.

I think St. Paul wanted to contrast things w. the Pharisaic hatred of humanity, as we know fm kikes, who hate humanity--as we see as in way they just stole the land fm Palestinians, for example, and golly, but if u bring the subject up u'll be slapped-down, and nothing ever comes of such subject-matter and discussion--but hatred and contempt by Jews. Thus one learns to hate Jews--IF one is (a) human and hence (b) HONEST. So Christianity then merely lends a temperance (part of the sublime Holy Spirit) to such hatred, hatred considered in a larger context, Christianity upholding TRUTH (= Christ, Gosp. JOHN 14:6).

For after all, why not just exterminate the Jews and/or Judaism? Thus Judaism/Talmudism deserves extermination, if nothing else. See Talmudical.BlogSpot.com for expo on Talmud, basis of Judaism.

Thus we see the Jew-centric, -oriented world whence humans are required to accept Jew over-lordship, hence "political-correctness" (PC), and one isn't allowed to talk seriously about this Jew dictatorship and hegemony. This Jew-orientedness is essence then of PC and Satanism (extreme subjectivism by which one is God unto oneself, all reality mere emanation of consciousness/mentality) which rules our world so pathetically and sublimely.

And if one looks and sees, hating Jews was very much key to Christian/Western prosperity and security up until the fateful French Revolution (1789) whence Jews broke free to rule, even if behind the scenes, as the Rothschilds, and in name of Kantian mysticism (anti-reason) and MORALISM. Nowadays, since WWII at least, Jews rule openly. Christianity is simply subverted for proper understanding, Christians made to fighting one another so brilliantly by Jews.

Even before 1789, Jews were working their way to hegemony by means of their banking scam, legalized counterfeiting, fractional-reserve money and banking, leading to central banking (see Mises.org), as of Bank of England in 1696. And of course, fractional-reserve banking always existed, but Jews made it genuinely powerful as Jews were most organized for their satanism, hubris, and thorough-going subjectivism. Subject of MONEY is not easy to explain, grasp, and understand.

For gentiles can be subjectivists, but they're typically nihilistic, dis-organized, and quite irrational as in way of outright madness--thus subject to leadership by Jews. For Jews are most sublimely organized, naturally collectivistic, and diabolical for their reasoning, as their Talmud demonstrates and teaches. Thus Jews are leaders of organized crime, as central-banking is most sublime criminal enterprise.

Thus "hatred" is treated in a special, PC manner, as by Jews, seldom mentioned but in off-hand and contemptuous manner, practically held to be synonymous w. "evil" itself, though "evil" doesn't actually mean anything of substance, as it doesn't really exist--but that's another subject-matter, part of the non-existent "good-evil" fallacy involving the hubris of a non-existent perfectly "free" will, part of the fallacious Kantian-type moralism which prevails in the gov.-funded schools and idiot-factories.

So hatred has it's proper value, place, meaning, use, and function which the anti-Christ and Jew influence has veiled, clouded, traduced, and obscured, esp. by means of keeping Christianity mis-understood for it's true rationalist value and place in larger Western culture. Perhaps most of all, Christianity has been mis-understood, for one great thing, for it's proper and necessary anti-semitism. Funny thing is many Jews will admit Christianity is anti-semitic, but they do so in such a resentful and bitter manner as if they expect the stupid Christian-styled scum (as they're not really Chrisitan and honest) to fall all over themselves insisting and repeating Christianity is NOT anti-semitic.