Reality is DETERMINED (cause-effect)--cannot be changed by mere human will--confirmed by Holy Spirit and HONESTY....

Below-copied essay by ap first published at comments, http://americansjourney.blogspot.com/2015/02/getting-religion.html?showComment=1423645641541#c2745900642091131552


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Human Concord Requires Holy Spirit--Always Arising In Cyclic Fashion From Previous Strife, Misery
(Apollonian, 11 Feb 15)

I will attempt to approach this essay of urs by taking certain statements made and then replying to them; I'll do this in the order written so as to preserve, much as possible, the overall logic of the essay.


(a) U say u "don't understand religion." But note religion is just a symbolical-type, aestheticalist approach/rendition, substitute for more formal philosophy--for remember MOST people can't handle straight-out, strict logical/scientific -type formulations--they need stuff put to them in way of a story--like kids (or children). Note Christ referred to the mass of people as "flock" of sheep, Christ the "good Shepherd."


Thus Christ NEVER spoke like college professor--he told the people, who were surely mostly illiterate, stories, called "parables," mostly referencing the stories people were already familiar w. fm Old Test.


Thus we come to the sublime, divine Christian "religion" w. embedded philosophy, Christ = TRUTH, the only way to Godly happiness (Gosp. JOHN 14:6), this against Jew (Pharisaic) lies (JOHN 8:44).
Pt. then is "truth" necessitates under-lying, implicit objective reality (Aristotle) serving as criterion/basis thereto--against subjectivism, basis of satanism and lies.


(b) Thus, as reality is objective, it's determined (according to absolute cause-effect) and CYCLIC--every successful political system first arises, but then eventually corrupts, like Roman empire, for example, often due to over-population, the people, too many of them, becoming corrupt and hubristic, adopting subjectivism, especially in guise of "good-evil," the inferior (corrupted) masses insisting upon socialism, etc., as part of "good" pretensions.


In conclusion, I endorse ur final sentence and paragraph regarding "limits of our abilities...." Eventually every and any system corrupts and collapses in CYCLIC fashion (as "Decline of the West," by Oswald Spengler). Un-fortunately, the "decline" stage is marked by ascendancy of hubris and lies, truth struggling--it's a time of gross and dire struggle, strife, and warfare.


U've got to begin to understanding human beings as "sinners," given to hubris, irrationality, and thus subjectivism, their civilization corrupting and collapsing, warfare being INEVITABLE--in the inexorable CYCLIC course of events. And it's impossible for this basic human condition to changing--they wouldn't be human (sinners) otherwise. Only thing to be done then is to minimize the warfare much as possible--as always--such is the "sinful" human condition, mediated by the divine wisdom, reason being integral part of Holy Spirit, along w. HONESTY.